Originally published on: 2/7/2006 7:11:59 AM
So, last night's episode was bittersweet. It's over, at least for this season, possibly forever. The finale itself was great. It wrapped things up enough that it would be entirely "unfinished" if they decide not to do another season, but left plenty of unanswered questions to explore if they do.
This series also highlights something that I think doesn't get explored much in TV/movies. In books, you often have a story that's "worth" 300 pages. Others are "worth" 3 such books, while others justify long serial storytelling. We have a bit of this with one-shot movies and sequels with TV covering the longer form stuff, but there isn't much that's specifically aimed at being a 1 or 2 season story *by intention*. There's not much between TV movie/miniseries and see-if-we-can-make-it-last-8-seasons-and-kill-it-without-an-ending.
I think some stories just take that long to tell, but don't justify attempting to turn them into ongoing series. That just tends to water down the storytelling to make sure that you prolong the middle, often leaving no ending at all because of cancellation. Had Carnivale ended after the first season, I would have been seriously irritated, because it wasn't "done" in any sense at that point. Now, at the end of season 2, while I was still disappointed that there won't be a season 3, the primary story arc is complete. There's obviously more story left there that would have made a great season 3, but it's OK that it's over because there was adequate resolution. Surface did that this week too (as did ROME on HBO this year).
Of course, I realize the huge challenge this presents and will likely continue to see only rare instances of this, but a guy can dream can't he?
Your NBC are on winner here, lets hope they have brains in their heads and balls in their pants to ensure a second series.
toby
Anyway.. Suface is great show and I loved it alomst all the time!! unfortunately do you have to have a pay-chanel here in sweden to be able to watch it.. So most of the Swedes won't be able to enjoy this wonderful show :(..
Lets cross our fingers and hope that it will come a 2nd seanson!!!
Is this friend of your an important person at NBC or what?? I mean, I don't the producer can and want to tell anyone about the continue of S.02 if it isn't someone which work "above" him..
If it is true information then I'm exited as hell :D:D:D:D
lets cross our fingers for an second season ;)
/Dennis
Talk about making a splash: Surface, NBC's freshman sea-creature feature, signed off last Monday with a finale filled with lots of tidal waves and slithery beasties â€" if not satisfying answers about what exactly is going on.
TVGuide.com had the pleasure of picking the brain of series cocreator Josh Pate by hitting him with some burning questions (including, yes, "Will Surface be back in the fall?")
TVGuide.com: Was it always the plan to have all the principals finally unite in the first-season finale?
Josh Pate: Yes. Yes it was. We always wanted to 'cross the streams.'" At first NBC gave us a full pickup, and then they gave us this weird 15 [episode] order, so where the finale fell was changed around, but we always wanted the characters to start to interact in the culmination of Season 1.
TVGuide.com: The multiple-tsunamis: scientific fact or just fascinating TV-show fiction?
Pate: One of the guys on the staff wrote that scene so I'm sure he dug it up somewhere, but... we always call it "Crichton science," meaning that as long as you stay in the kind of Michael Crichton, getting-dinosaur-DNA-from-amber world, you're OK.
TVGuide.com: Were the sea monsters responsible for the catastrophic tsunami, or were they just taking advantage of some totally tubular waves?
Pate: Their digging weakened the mantle of the earth's crust, so that's what made it slip. There was an intention behind releasing the creatures into the ocean, but the creatures themselves are just like termites â€" they just do what they do.
TVGuide.com: Regarding "Iderdex," which doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, is it official: have all the good-sounding corporate names been trademarked by real-life companies?
Pate: Yes. You get these lists of names that are acceptable to the legal department, and after you come up with your cool thing, it gets blown up by lawyers, whoever they are. Iderdex is the best that was available.
TVGuide.com: Where are all the monorails going?
Pate: To the bottom of the ocean, Marianas Trench.
TVGuide.com: Is Martha Plimpton's character really dead? TVGuide.com hearts her!
Pate: I have some ideas about where I could take the character, but it's still in the formulation stage. But she is definitely not in a good place. [Laughs]
TVGuide.com: On a 1-to-10 scale, how satisfied were you with the CGI effects for Nimrod? He's certainly a milestone TV character.
Pate: I was satisfied to a 10 with the special effects, but every time we had one, it'd be kind of abandoned because we'd run out of time. There was never any consideration given to the fact that were not Law & Order or Ally McBeal in that no one ever said, "Wow, this show is almost animated in places, we need to give them more time in post[production]" to get the effects exactly where we want them. But as the season went on, we built a bigger and bigger library of Nim's movements. At first, one Nim shot would take two weeks; by the end, they could churn it out in 24 hours. The sad thing is that we always wanted to show more of Nim, but [there is a conflict of opinions with the network].
TVGuide.com: Is there a firm or semifirm plan in your mind for a second season, should NBC decide to pick you up? Things seem to have finished up at a breakneck pace. Is there any steam left?
Pate: Definitely. We're just getting started. To me, this was the epilogue to the ongoing story. We kind of hinted at Kessler, the guy behind all of this stuff, and his emergence is the centerpiece of Year 2. With genetic engineering, you can pretty much engineer anything you want. We have a lot of options and there are a lot of things we want to play, for sure.
TVGuide.com: Were you appreciative to last the season, albeit a shortened one, while so many other new series â€" Threshold included â€" got the hook so speedily?
Pate: Well, I feel like we had the ratings to do it. We were never really on the bubble in the sense of "Will we get pulled?" It was more, "Will we get renewed? Will we get a pickup?" It never got radioactive, like, "Oh my god, they might not air the last five episodes."
TVGuide.com: As our Watercooler editor put it: "For the love of all that is holy, what has become of the talking monkey girl?"
Pate: She's still out there, and I just hope she can swim!
TVGuide.com: Are there any developments regarding the second-season pickup?
Pate: That's not until May. The ratings built the last three episodes and I think that happened because... NBC didn't schedule us like a serial, sequentially, like how Fox runs 24 and Prison Break all in a row. After a five-week break, we came back on January 2, then they aired two, we got preempted by the Golden Globes, and then they aired three and we were done.
TVGuide.com: If you are picked up, is there a chance NBC might bring you back earlier than the fall?
Pate: I don't know. Maybe if we get picked up, they'll run us in repeats as a summer series to kind of reset for next year.... That's possible. We got their attention with the numbers on the finale, and NBC doesn't have a lot of 8 o'clock shows in development, so we're keeping our fingers crossed.
TVGuide.com: What about a juicy tease for Season 2?
Pate: Really, there is this kind of uberbad guy to the whole piece that has only made, like, fleeting appearances, and his presence is something we have always seen [as central to the story]. We've always viewed this series almost like a big sci-fi novel, when the main thing that the novel's about really starts to emerge in Year 2.
Additional reporting by Chana Shwadlenak
hope it airs :)
and must say, that the rumors is not that they starting filming in may, it´ll be in june (if it´ll be a second seson) but in may we´ll get to know if there will be a second season or not.
"I have to go start shooting Surface in July. So that would conflict, I couldn’t do that. So it’s kind of hard to do too many things right now until we find out the status of the show, which will be not long. We’ll find out in May." - Carter Jenkins
We as the masses need to rally behind that which we see as true entertainment and not just trivial advertising income sources.
Stand up my fellow telebabies and e-mail the networks. Demand an answer to the mystery that lurks at the bottom of our oceans and drifts through the meanderings inlets of our imaginations.
Stand I say
Stand united and strong ! ! !
I have to go and take my pill now......
okay I need an other pill....
I await info on the season that dares to be.
Surface Rocks! Keep NIM alive.
NBC dropped the show after ONE season. A campaign to get the SciFi channel to pick up surface. PLEASE do what you can:
EMAIL feedback@scifi.com and ask them to pick up surface. DO THIS AS MANY TIMES AS POSSIBLE !!!
Use the link below and VOTE POSITIVE for surface.
http://www.teavee.com/surface
You can vote EVERY 5 minutes. VOTE OFTEN
Go to http://www.savesurface.com and join.
Keep SURFACE Rockin! Help our show RE-Surface!
We REALLY need your help on this.
Thanks for listening to my dribble!
Let your voice be heard:
Send MANY emails BY MANY PEOPLE
to the following on May 29 & 30
(Get help from friends and family)
This is the President of Scifi
bonnie.hammer@nbcuni.com and/or bonnie.hammer@unistudios.com
3,14
dreamworks animation skg
1000 flower street
glendale, ca 91201
since he did a very sucessful sci fi series a few years ago - taken - maybe he would consider doing at least a movie for surface and invasion - dont hurt to ask
Bonnie Hammer, President
The Sci-Fi Channel
30 Rockefeller Plaza, 21st Floor
New York, NY 10112
Her email is: bonnie.hammer@nbcuni.com
Mark Stern, Executive Vice President of Original Programing
The Sci-Fi Channel
same address as above
Email is: mark.stern@nbcuni.com
Thomas Vitale, Senior Vice President of Aquisitions
The Sci-Fi Channel
same address as above
Email: thomas.vitale@nbcuni.com
Kat Stein, Senior Vice President Corporate Communications
The Sci-Fi Channel
same address as above
Email: kat.stein@nbcuni.com
Bill Brennan, Vice President Publicity
The Sci-Fi Channel
same address as above
Email: bill.brennan@nbcuni.com
the website said the best way to get in touch with tv people is by the post office mail so get in there and start your letter writing campaign maybe people can get together and send boxes of mail - that should get their attention - they said that by the fans protesting and writing letters, roswell was extended two more seasons - have your kids write too - hand written letters from kids are always big winners - i will look up info for invasion and abc executives and post
NBC STUDIOS
3000 WEST ALAMEDA AVE
BURBANK, CA - DID NOT HAVE ZIP
THE ABC ENTERTAINMENT CENTER
2040 AVENUE OF THE STARS
PLAZA LEVEL
CENTURY CITY, CA - AGAIN NO ZIP
GO TO www.abc.go.com/site/contactus
they have shows you can email about - they did not have invasion listed
also another website where everyone can look up their favorite show and make comments is called TV.COM and lots of people have written their comments about surface and invasion and want these two shows BROUGHT BACK!!!!!!!!!!!
there is a webby that you can petition on,they have 20,000+ hits atm and it has risen by at least 60 in the last 24hrs.
www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?surface
Vince Pepe
Seattle, WA
GRRRR!!!
SCI-FI CHANNEL RERUNS OF SURFACE:
8/15/2006; 9 am - 3 pm - SURFACE
9/26/2006; 8 AM - 3 PM - SURFACE
YOU CAN PROBABLY CHECK AT SCIFI.COM FOR THE SCHEDULE - REMEMBER, I THINK SINCE SCI FI IS EAST COAST STATION - THESE MIGHT BE EAST COAST TIMES SO GOOD IDEA TO CK ONLINE WHAT TIME THEY WILL BE IN YOUR AREA - HE DID NOT SAY IF ALL 15 EPSIODES WILL BE TELECASTED
REMEMBER THAT THE 15TH OF AUGUST IS THE DATE THE DVD WILL BE AVAILABLE SO GO BUY IT OR RENT IT - DID YOU KNOW WHEN YOU RENT A MOVIE - ITS KEPT TRACK OF HOW MANY TIMES ITS RENTED??
I have seen Surface also. It’s really a great Story. In Europe the response of Surfacve was also very good.
I really Hope they will make a second season it would be a shame if they really would stop. Well it seems that they have stop, but I Hope that they will think about this.
SEASON 2 OF SURFACE MUST BE PRODUCED!
Greetings from David from the Little Country Switzerland
Just some thoughts from a swedish fan...
Surface is one of those shows that doesn't come around very often. The entire family can watch and enjoy it. There isn't any inappropriate humor (as in the simpsons or family guy) or mindless violence (insert list of thousands of shows and movies here) or blatant sexual references (like desperate housewives). The fact that this one show without anything offensive to a family as a whole and even appeals to the smallest kids (Tell me nim isn't just adorable) is being canceled for other violent, sexual, and innapropriate programming shows just how bad our society is as a whole. I respect all of you fighting for this show to stay on the air. Our fight may seem to be a losing one, but that doesn't mean it is.
Save Surface: Fight on!
"24" was watched by 14 million of people in the 4th season
and "SURFACE" by about 10 million people in the FIRST season!!!!
I see tonight the final of Surface season 1 and i hope it will continue. Wow what a great story of mystery and action !!! Cool !!!
Sebi from Slovenia
Doch wo ist die rest ?? , Wann kommt die Fortsetzung :-(
It was a very interesting mystery series, worth to watch any episode since one likes to see how it goes on.
But with "the final episode" now out, there are so many questions left (not to talk about a classic "happy end") that my rating would go down when there is no season 2.
If not, someone should produce a "seson2 movie" or write a novel, to solve all the open riddles
and create a "happy end"
P.G.
Not every tale need to have a "happy ending" ;).
I also want the series to continue but you can't get everything you want! unfortunately :(
i am still emailing about invasion and they have a new show lined up for this fall called the nine - dont intend to watch it will be watching csi ny instead - and even lost is getting boring
From what I have seen..there has been nothing but rave reviews for this unique Sci-Fi series.
If there are problems with production and the actual creators..jeez just get it sorted out..and bring it back. enough is enough..stop this crazy cancelling crap..There ARE loyal viewers for Surface, probably more than anybody realizes..
It was one of the best Sci-fi series on television...absolutely cinema quality picture perfect.
RE-SURFACE SURFACE!!
I personally think that bad guy is going to kill all humans with his created monster, and will replenish the earth with his ARK once all man has been wiped off the face of the earth.. REmmeber, hes a clone...
I planned my time and events so not to Miss Season One.
Hey... We should write our own episodes.... we can all add to them and finsih out the story on our own.. what do you guys say?
Finally a show that i could sit down and watch with the family. What a change to watch a show without someone uttering a four letter word every other 10 seconds or rushing into a bedroom for some weird reason. Shame on NBC for dropping the show it really was well done and for FAMILT T.V. this was a smash hit.
So, who's to blame for the poor ratings? I'd have to say NBC I never did see the show promoted on any of the other NETWORKS and I have failed to watch NBC in recent years due to very poor programming being offered. This was the one that would have brought me back. I guess the Peacock ain't that proud these days. Who knows maybe they'll listen up and be proud enough to admit they made a mistake cancelling this show.
Guess I'll have to fire off email to the SCI-FI channel and see if they are listening to the Gneral viewing public.
TAMI
Or maybe Smallville? It's always been an amazing show. Season 6 airs on the 28th. ^__^
I actually LOVED that show and it's one in a VERY long line of shows cancelled on me, Surface being one more.
My hat goes off to Linsey she is very strong.
SEASON 2
PLEASE
I'm from germany and i loved surface!!!!!!!!!!!! NBC sucks if they don't bring surface back! Move it to scifi channel and kick out this ecw wrestling crap lol! All the Fans in germany hope to see season two!!!!!!!!!!!! In Germany surface was on a tv channel named pro 7 and they had huge ratings during this time so i just can say one thing
NBC BRING BACK SURFACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nimrod Rocks
sorry for my bad english but i'm just a german ;)
The cat is out of the bag, - and there is no turning back.
All suggestions are invited, but please read before you suggest. We have tried lots of stuff.
The problem lies with NBC. They do not pay attention to the fans. Remember they cancelled Star Trek once.
They are clearly "out of touch" with reality and with what makes for good TV - Jstn (Ad-Nim-istrator of savesurface.com)
think i will write to this producer at cbs and let them know about surface - maybe cbs would pick it up???
i want a season 2
I think that maybe if everyone fan of us (if there are 200.000 of us would be great), would donate 10-20$ then it would be on sets right away XD. 4$ million of dollars are not so much for that series but hey it's a start XD. And to think that they would make profit selling it to the tv local stations, and etc. etc. etc...
Surface must not die, surface must continue!!!!
What about miles, his mutation? What about the world, will it be always flatered with the ocean or? How many ppl alive are there? What will happen with the "arc of noel". Will nimoel help miles with the "giants". What will happen next? So many question, and not even a book...
Sue - If only that were true. Surface was finished off by Kevin Reilly (previously of NBC, now in charge of FOX and the Sarah Connor Chronicles - shudders)
The Pate brothers wrote a second season when they wrote the first one. Currently they have no plans to film that season, but I feel that as talented as they are, that in time they may command enough "muscle" in Hollywood to do something else with Surface. Keep the faith. Meanwhile feel free to hang out with Jan, myself and lots of other Surface fans at our website...
http://www.savesurface.com/phpBB3/index.php
Be well. Keep Nim in your thoughts. - Jstn (Ad-Nim-istrator of SaveSurface)